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Michelle J,

by Michelle J.
(USA)

Hi Wray,
firstly i want to say thank you! I discovered your website while going through my 3rd (possibly 4th miscarriage) several weeks ago. I have 2 healthy beautiful kids and until i found your website have never heard progesterone from any Dr. thru any of my pregnancies or losses.. After reading your pregnancy and miscarriage page i went to my Obgyn and told her i want to try again and i wanted to start progesterone therapy. She said progesterone therapy " may " help, and prescribed Endometrium Suppositories 100mg x 1 a day. She is very open to suggestions from me , but never suggested progesterone to me ?
My pharmacist called me and said the dose was very low and offered to call my Dr. to have it increased which she did to 100 mg x 2 a day. I hope and pray i can carry my next baby to term and have a healthy pregnancy and baby . I am 40 now and am thankful that hopefully i can still get pregnant very easily as i always have, but unfortunately could not carry the last few pregnancies past 7 weeks. I really believe God and My guardian Angel led me to your wonderful website and it has given me hope to try again!
I wish you would start a TV. documentary for women all over the world to see as you can help so many.I am going to start the progesterone after i ovulate and continue throughout my pregnancy. My Dr. said she will keep me on it.. not sure if she meant the first trimester or the entire pregnancy ? Which leads me to ask you if she is reluctant to continue the progesterone throughout my pregnancy can i continue on if i need to using your cream and if so what dosage ? I've also started
omega 3 2400 mg, Vitamin D3 4000 mg, CoQ10 100 mg, folic acid 1200 mg, plus prenatal vitamin. She also agreed to me trying baby aspirin 81mg after i become pregnant. Are the doses i am taking enough ? I hope you can answer my question i know its a lot ! Thank you XX Michelle.

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Mar 28, 2012
 Michelle J Part 2
by: Wray

Hi Michelle Thanks for the kind words! I had five miscarriages, all due to stress, all within 6-8 weeks which is when most occur. No one mentioned progesterone to me either. Although it's 30 years since my daughter was born, progesterone had been helping women for 30 years before that! I'm delighted you read the pregnancy page, please also look at this one here too. I'm very relieved your pharmacist said the amount was too low, far too low! If this is how much your doctor has been giving to her other patients, no wonder she said it 'may' help. The minimum daily amount given is 200mg/day up to 600mg/day. Although one woman has just written in saying her doctor has her on 1600mg/day! The very critical phase is the first 6-8 weeks. It's at 8 weeks the placenta begins secreting progesterone. But if it doesn't secrete enough, or the corpus luteum production drops too soon, miscarriages can occur in the 3-4 month phase. I would always recommend using it for 4 months, just to make sure. Another error the doctors make is telling the woman to stop it. We should never go cold turkey from any natural substance, or drug for that matter. The level of progesterone could drop too acutely and a miscarriage could occur. It's always best to reduce slowly, difficult with suppositories which is why I dislike them. I generally recommend reducing by about 16mg per reduction, and staying on that for a few days to stabilise. With 100mg suppositories this isn't too difficult, as you could cut them into 1/4's which will give you 25mg. Alternatively you could use them the entire pregnancy. Many women have successfully used a cream instead of the suppositories, an advantage is it can be applied anywhere. Very limited with the suppositories! I would always recommend a minimum of 200mg/day irrespective of the Delivery system. The supplements you're taking are all good, but I would go easy on the folic acid, maybe take 800mcg/day, it can mask a B12 deficiency, see here. Continued below.
Mar 28, 2012
 Michelle J
by: Wray

Hi Michelle I wouldn't bother with the aspirin, both progesterone, see here, here, here and here. And vitamin D, see here, here, here and here prevent clotting. I'm delighted you're taking vitamin D, although I feel you could take more. Please have a test done. For more info on vitamin D levels, test kits etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth, Birmingham Hospital and Vitamin D Links websites. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml or 175-250nmol/L and not the 30ng/ml or 75nmol/L most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although the latest research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. Continued below.
Mar 28, 2012
 Michelle J Part 3
by: Wray

Hi Michelle Vitamin D is vital for a successful pregnancy, vital too for the growth of the foetus, see here, here, here, here, here, here and here. These are excellent videos to watch too, see here and here. A lack reduces the benefits of progesterone, plus it can cause miscarriages, see here, here and here. Another nutrient you could consdier taking is taurine, also vital for the growth of the foetus, and the newborn too, see here, here and here. Take care Wray
Mar 28, 2012
 Michelle J.
by: Michelle J.

Hi Wray,
thanks so much for replying!I will increase the vitamin D3 amount to 5000mg.Can you tell me how much taurine i should take daily and how would i know if the amount of progesterone i'm use during the pregnancy is enough?

Thanks again,

Michelle J.
Mar 31, 2012
 Michelle J
by: Wray

Hi Michelle I'm so pleased you are increasing the vitamin D, only good can come from it. Depending on how much animal protein you eat, I suggest you take anywhere from 1000-2000mg/day taurine. It's not found in any veggies, seeds or nuts at all. Fish has the highest level. It's far cheaper in powder form too, caps and tabs send the price soaring. 1000mg equals 1/4 tsp. The signs to look for if progesterone should drop are nausea, headaches, tiredness beyond the normal for pregnancy, high BP. I've found if nausea occurs at least 330mg/day is needed often more. Dr Dalton would give mega amounts of 800mg/day for this. I'm so delighted you've started the progesterone before falling pregnant, this gives time to overcome any Oestrogen Dominance which might occur. Plus Dr Dalton found that if started early, and used particularly for the critical first 16 weeks, her 'progesterone babies' as she called them were more intelligent than the norm. I did give you that page, but here it is again in case you missed that part. It's been found that high early luteal phase progesterone ensures a successful implantation, see here. Progesterone is essential to ensure a good blood flow to the embryo is formed early in the pregnancy. Take care Wray
Apr 14, 2012
 spotting on progesterone
by: Michelle J.

Hi Wray,
I started Endometrin suppositories on day 14 of my cyle so am taking them 100mg x 2 daily. Taking them 5 days now and have started to have brown and some red bleeding. Is this normal on progesterone?
Should i continue taking them as i am trying to get pregnant , i'm really worried and confused right now with the spotting.

Please advise...
Thank You !
Michelle J.
Apr 16, 2012
 spotting on progesterone
by: Wray

Hi Michelle Progesterone can upset the cycle when first using it, you should have been warned about this. And has anyone warned you about Oestrogen Dominance? This can occur too. I'm relieved you've started using the progesterone prior to falling pregnant, as the last thing you need is oestrogen dominance once pregnant. We do have a page on Pregnancy which explains how to use progesterone. And you might like to read this page here too. The pregnancy page also explains how important vitamin D is to conception, a successful pregnancy, and the growth of the foetus too. We have further info about progesterone on our page How to use progesterone cream. Take care Wray
Apr 16, 2012
 Michelle J.
by: Michelle J.

Hi Wray,
thanks again for replying.I read your page on Oestrogen Dominance so i'm guessing the light bleeding is normal when starting the progesterone inserts. Can you tell me if i should continue to take the 200 mg daily untill day 28 and then stop, and also do you think it's possible i could be pregnant even though i'm having light bleeding on the progesterone ?

Thanks so much for any advice ,
Michelle J.
Apr 17, 2012
 Michelle J.
by: Wray

Hi Michelle Yes light bleeding, spotting or a full period are all normal when starting it. It's very difficult to say if you could be pregnant, it seems unlikely with the spotting starting so soon after starting the progesterone, but stranger things have happened! If you think you could be, don't stop the progesterone at day 28, as that will cause a miscarriage. Continue using them until you bleed. Even if it's a few days later than normal. There is more info about this on our Pregnancy page. Take care Wray
Apr 17, 2012
 Michelle J.
by: Michelle J.

Thanks so much ! I did call my Dr. about the bleeding and was told to stop taking it and start back up next cycle but i choose to stay on it until i heard from you . You have put my mind at ease.I have started to ovulate earlier than normal the past few months so its a little confusing as to when i should start the progesterone so i started it on day 14. I will pay close attention next cycle and start as soon as i think i have ovulated. Do i stay on progesterone for 14 days regardless of cycle length?

Thanks again
Michelle J.
Apr 17, 2012
 Michelle J.
by: Wray

Hi Michelle Well I'm relieved you didn't stop it! Predicting ovulation can be tricky, there is a link on the pregnancy page to a mini microscope. These take the guessing out of ovulation. You'll also notice on the page about the pre-ovulatory surge of progesterone, and how essential an early rise in the luteal phase is to implantation. So you might consider starting it just prior to ovulation. There's more info about the cycle length on our page How to use progesterone cream. Take care Wray

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