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Does my 14 y.o. son need Progesterone?

by anonymous

Hi Wray,
I am on your progesterone at a high level (800-1000 mg/day)and I am finally starting to feel better. I am accustomed to a daily migraine and that has stopped! I am sleeping much better and my irritability is improving. I was on IM estrogen, testosterone, and progestin for years. I also had endometrial cancer in 07. I started having migraines when I was 16 y.o. I am 54 y.o currently. I also had a tubal pregnancy due to an IUD at 16 y.o. with emergency surgery that removed one Fallopian tube and cauterized both ovaries. I have had hormone issues since then. I saw an endocrinologist in Texas who said my migraines were a lack of estrogen and testosterone thus the IM injections of mega doses of these hormones which made me feel somewhat better, but the dose kept going up until the time I was diagnosed with endometrial cancer. I had a complete hysterectomy in 07. At that time I stopped all HRT. I accidentally found your website while trying to figure out what to do next especially since I was still having so many migraines. When I started Natpro I felt horrible for about 2 months until I figured out that I needed to use more than a standard dose. I am finally starting to feel better...thank God!
My question today is in regards to my 14 y.o. son. He is tired all the time, slightly overweight and complains of man boobs! He constantly craves sugar and carbohydrates. Could he have estrogen dominance and need progesterone? If so, how do I give it to him? Also, I have ordered your energy formula. Should I give that to him as well? If so, how much? Also, could I have passed my problem on to him in utero? I saw a huge change in his whole persona when he turned 6,7,8 years old. He went from being a gregarious, active, child to being very sedentary and slightly unmotivated. He is a dear precious young man and I want to help him. Can you advise me?

Thank you so much!

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Oct 31, 2012
 hormones in children
by: Kaylana

Hi,
I just wanted to leave a quick comment. While I don't know about specific research about "passing" problems onto children regarding hormones, I have no reason to doubt its probability.

My young son started to slip into a shell at the tender age of 5. He began to stutter and had several issues including difficulty learning and remembering. We used progesterone cream and saw immediate results.

I want to encourage you to start your son on a low carb diet that is wheat/grain free. These things in our diet affect our insulin levels which inturn increase our estrogen levels.

My little guy was exposed to too much soy and phytoestrogens at an early age. It retarded his overall growth-including his sex organs. Hopefully when he reaches puberty it will be corrected.

I want to stress the wheat-free diet again. Wheat is a lignan and these are phytoestrogenic. Be sure to include high quality fats and proteins so that his body can produce the right hormones.

Excellent sources are Dr. Davis' "Wheat Belly" (he is now beginning to see the direct connection to hormones) and the Weston A. Price Foundation. Both websites/blogs have wonderful information and testimonies. Those sites along with Wray's site (Huge Thanks!) saved my life!

Yes, we eat a lot of eggs and bacon and dinner is mostly meat. Once the carbs were removed our appetite for unhealthy foods disappeared. The brain fog lifted, we slept better and had more energy. The excess estrogen was able to be eliminated and our bodies were able to heal correctly. Life is wonderful!

One last comment regarding cost- people think they can't afford to eat "just meat". Our food bill has decreased since we are no longer buying tons of processed, empty nutrient foods. And we do eat a wonderful variety of foods-just no grains and only low carb foods.

Progesterone cream will help you get back to a healthy lifestyle. I still use it when I've run into xenoestrogens or encounter a lot of stress.

Be sure to let us know how you are doing. It takes time, but oh, so worth it!
Cheers from a cold, wintery Latvia!
Oct 31, 2012
 Does my 14 y.o. son need Progesterone?
by: Wray

Hi there I'm so delighted the progesterone has helped you, it does need to be high if symptoms are severe. I'm so saddened to hear about those mega doses of two hormones which increase the risk of cancer. That's being conservative, I believe they actually cause it. We have more info if interested on our HRT page. Plus these on testosterone here, here, here, here here, here, here, here and here. And it causes visceral fat to increase, see here and here. This is tied to Insulin Resistance and heart disease. Why this hasn't filtered down to where it should go, I don't know. We do have a page on Migraines, I did it as so many women get them, far more than men. Doesn't this say something to the medical profession? We make far more oestrogen than they do, and it is an inflammatory hormone. Your son could well have excess oestrogen, it does cause those symptoms. We do have a page on Man Boobs, another I did as so many men get these now! By the way oestrogen also causes insulin resistance, which sounds very much like your sons problem. The energy formula is designed to help this, so would hopefully help him too. As he's 14 he can take the adult dose. A lack of vitamin D also causes IR, please have a test done on him, you too, as a lack also causes migraines. Continued below.
Oct 31, 2012
 Does my 14 y.o. son need Progesterone? Part 2
by: Wray

Hi there You might like to read this amusing page here, one woman commented that it wasn't until she got her vitamin D level up, that persistent symptoms went. And that was in spite of large amounts of progesterone. And a lack causes unstable blood glucose and weight gain, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Progesterone also helps stabilise blood glucose, see here. I suggest you try your son on 1ml per day, or 33mg progesterone. 1 ml is 1/5th of a tsp. If no change, increase by another ml. It can be rubbed anywhere, but I suggest on the breasts each time it's applied. Does he possibly have Candida? This also causes cravings, tiredness etc. You ask a question about passing things on to the child while in utero, and the answer is yes. It's something which really concerns me. I have put something about it on our Pregnancy page, in the hopes new mothers will take note. It's a relatively new branch of science called epigenetics, one of the pioneers was Bruce Lipton. His books are well worth reading as he makes it so clear. They've discovered toxins or a lack of certain nutrients can cause our genes to change course. It's nothing to do with DNA changes, which falls under genetics. Epigenetic changes are far more serious and insidious too. It's the antithesis of Darwin's belief that changes occur due to DNA modifications. It's given rise to the term 'the foetal origin of adult disease'. Type 1 diabetes being just one of them due to a lack of vitamin D in utero. Insulin resistance is another, which leads to heart disease. Continued below
Oct 31, 2012
 Does my 14 y.o. son need Progesterone? Part 3
by: Wray

Hi there I've already given you enough to cause severe indigestion! But these are papers on epigenetic changes, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. And these two here and here. The first gives a graphic picture of what epigenetics can do, the second is the actual paper. Finally I learnt yesterday that micro RNA (the messenger system) found in food, can cause changes in our genes too. So eating GM food is very dangerous, as we know nothing about it's long term effects. The short term are horrific enough as it is. I was sent this video on GM foods by a friend today, so haven't had a chance to view it yet, but Jeffrey Smith is always excellent, so I'm sure the video is too, see here. Take care Wray
Nov 01, 2012
 hormones in children
by: Wray

Hi Kaylana Always so good getting your input. I couldn't agree more about the diet, I too eat eggs and bacon, meat, fish and chicken. Plus lots of green veggies and good fats and oils. It's amazing how it turns you around, and of course no cravings for sweet things either. As you say those processed foods are so expensive, whereas fresh veggies are not. Winter again, it comes round too quickly! Take care Wray
Feb 02, 2013
 Problems
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray,
I have been using Natpro for about 5 months. I had severe Estrogen Dominence symptoms early on. I started taking large doses up to 1,000mg/day and the severe symptoms seemed to lessen. I am currently backing it down to 320mg/day. I have been diagnosed in the past with Bipolar disorder but always thought it an incorrest diagnosis. I have struggled with depression most of my life but I have some things to be depressed about! It wasn't so bad as to ruin my life! Four weeks ago I had my first full on mania episode. It lasted 3 days. I could not stop talking, could not seep, felt very anxious and way too "up" to be comfortable. Right after that I have a severe case of depression. I mean severe! I am considering going off the Natpro. In more than 5 months of trial it has been awful! I hope I feel better with taking less. Maybe the balance of Estrogen and Progesterone is now imbalanced. I feel like I need Estrogen. Wray, please comment!

I am almost divorced!!
Feb 02, 2013
 Search option
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray,
Just wondering why I can't search your site anymore? All the stories are so interesting and I learn a lot! It was the google search engine for your site. Will it be back soon?
Feb 03, 2013
 Does my 14 y.o. son need Progesterone?
by: Wray

Hi there I've been wondering too! I use it a lot and have tried to contact the department in question about it, but haven't had a reply yet. I suppose it is the weekend! I tend to forget about them as I work right through. Others have asked me too. I'm going to tackle them again on Monday and see if they've managed to restore it. I'm so pleased you're finding the site helpful, and thanks so much for letting me know! There is the 'widget' at the top of every text page, not the comments pages, see our page on How to use progesterone cream. All the latest queries come in there, and some time afterwards my reply! I've just received advice from Karenina, who's used Natpro for a few years. She knows the site better than I do! She says to click on 'Visit the Forums' and sure enough the search bar is there! Take care Wray
Feb 04, 2013
 Problems
by: Wray

Hi there Please clear something up for me. You say "I started taking large doses up to 1,000mg/day and the severe symptoms seemed to lessen." If they lessened, why are you now reducing, how far have you got, could this not be possibly the reason for the episode? Are you reducing too fast? It should be no more than 20mg/reduction, staying on that for a few days before reducing again. Progesterone does help depression, but using it alone will be an uphill battle, you do need to consider the nutrients which also help. Possibly these are in short supply. There's a list on our Anxiety page. There's reason to believe depression is caused by oxidative stress, as so many of our problems are, see here. Large amounts of antioxidants are needed. Have you noticed any patterns in your episodes prior to using progesterone? As the menstrual cycle and pregnancy can affect it, see here, here and here. Anovulation seems to affect it, and long menstrual cycles, do you have either of these? This is an excellent site here you might like to look through. Vitamin D is vital for all behavioural disorders, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Continued below
Feb 04, 2013
 Problems Part 2
by: Wray

Plus a lack of vitamin D reduces the benefits of progesterone, see here, here and here. Please have a test done, using high amounts of progesterone without high levels of vitamin D is a waste. You might like to see these comments about this here here and here, Scroll to 'Possibly Reconsider'. For more info on vitamin D levels, test kits etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth and Birmingham Hospital. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml (175-250nmol/L) and not the 30ng/ml (75nmol/L) most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although recent research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. Take care Wray
Feb 05, 2013
 problems
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray,
Thank you for your response. I had the bipolar incidence while I was on 1,000 mg/day of Natpro. I have never had mania/depression that I was able to discern. I was also taking the energy formula while on 1,000mg Natpro but my depression got worse so I stoped that about a month ago. This is why I decided to back off since I had read on-line that too much Progesterone can cause a Bipolar incidente. I have been taking 10,000IU's of vitamin D since I started the Natpro 5 months ago. As I stated in an earlier comment to you, I had a complete hysterectomy in 2007. Prior to that I was on a very high dose of HRT. I know you have stated elsewhere that you can't take too much Progesterone. Is that correct? Should I have a saliva test done? I'm at a loss and I am engaged in a very important court trial and need to be at my best. I have been off Natpro for 3 days now and have been feeling better...less anxiety and depression. But as of 5PM today I am starting another episode of mania...not fun! Please advise me! Thank you!
Feb 09, 2013
 problems
by: Wray

Hi there Thanks for clearing that confusion for me, but I'm left with another. You say "I have never had mania/depression that I was able to discern", but you have been diagnosed with bipolar. Although from what I gather you don't believe this is correct? So the mania and depression you suffer from, you believe is not bipolar but possibly some other problem? According to one psychiatrist, bipolar is often mis-diagnosed. For instance he's found sugar can cause it, and then makes the observation, that once off the sugar the episodes stop, so does that still make the patient bipolar. A lack of many nutrients can cause the episodes. Interestingly, although the energy boost was designed for insulin resistance, all the ingredients have been used successfully for 'bipolar', see AMH. The same site has many other articles you could look through about 'bipolar', see here. You say you said previously that you had a hysterectomy. But I can't find a reference to it anywhere, unless you're the person who first started this page about a 14 yr old son? Which doesn't make much sense to me, as you said "I am finally starting to feel better...thank God!" I'm sorry about this but I find it so hard with anon comments, if the heading remains the same I can cope, but if the anon changes the heading I assume it's a different person. Please confirm you are the same person who started the thread, and who said felt better. What further confuses me you made no acknowledgement of the answer I gave about the son, if you are the same person. Hence my assuming you're not. Unless using IV transfusions, it's impossible to use too much progesterone. Please see this page here. And this one here too. I asked if you found your menstrual cycles affected you, did you see these papers I gave previously here, here and here. I know you don't have any now, but in the past. Continued below
Feb 09, 2013
 problems Part 2
by: Wray

Hi there I can only assume that you are lacking some nutrient that has been amplified by the progesterone and vitamin D. Please look through that paper I gave you from the AMH site about the various nutrients that help mania. Please try taking them individually, you might find the one you need. Although as I said they are all in the energy boost. A saliva test will only show you have a high level of progesterone, nothing more. Let me know how you get on without progesterone. Take care Wray
Feb 11, 2013
 Summary #1
by: Susan B.

Hi Wray,
I am sorry about all the confusion...all on my part! I will try to summarize. I have also given myself a name to make things easier. These are my comments so far;

Hi Wray,
I am on your progesterone at a high level (800-1000 mg/day)and I am finally starting to feel better. I am accustomed to a daily migraine and that has stopped! I am sleeping much better and my irritability is improving. I was on IM estrogen, testosterone, and progestin for years. I also had endometrial cancer in 07. I started having migraines when I was 16 y.o. I am 54 y.o currently. I also had a tubal pregnancy due to an IUD at 16 y.o. with emergency surgery that removed one Fallopian tube and cauterized both ovaries. I have had hormone issues since then. I saw an endocrinologist in Texas who said my migraines were a lack of estrogen and testosterone thus the IM injections of mega doses of these hormones which made me feel somewhat better, but the dose kept going up until the time I was diagnosed with endometrial cancer. I had a complete hysterectomy in 07. At that time I stopped all HRT. I accidentally found your website while trying to figure out what to do next especially since I was still having so many migraines. When I started Natpro I felt horrible for about 2 months until I figured out that I needed to use more than a standard dose. I am finally starting to feel better...thank God!
My question today is in regards to my 14 y.o. son. He is tired all the time, slightly overweight and complains of man boobs! He constantly craves sugar and carbohydrates. Could he have estrogen dominance and need progesterone? If so, how do I give it to him? Also, I have ordered your energy formula. Should I give that to him as well? If so, how much? Also, could I have passed my problem on to him in utero? I saw a huge change in his whole persona when he turned 6,7,8 years old. He went from being a gregarious, active, child to being very sedentary and slightly unmotivated. He is a dear precious young man and I want to help him. Can you advise me?

Thank you so much!
Feb 11, 2013
 Summary #1.5
by: Susan B.

Oct 31, 2012
Does my 14 y.o. son need Progesterone?
by: Wray

Hi there I'm so delighted the progesterone has helped you, it does need to be high if symptoms are severe. I'm so saddened to hear about those mega doses of two hormones which increase the risk of cancer. That's being conservative, I believe they actually cause it. We have more info if interested on our HRT page. Plus these on testosterone here, here, here,herehere, here,here, here and here. And it causes visceral fat to increase, see here and here. This is tied to Insulin Resistance and heart disease. Why this hasn't filtered down to where it should go, I don't know. We do have a page on Migraines, I did it as so many women get them, far more than men. Doesn't this say something to the medical profession? We make far more oestrogen than they do, and it is an inflammatory hormone. Your son could well have excess oestrogen, it does cause those symptoms. We do have a page on Man Boobs, another I did as so many men get these now! By the way oestrogen also causes insulin resistance, which sounds very much like your sons problem. The energy formula is designed to help this, so would hopefully help him too. As he's 14 he can take the adult dose. A lack of vitamin D also causes IR, please have a test done on him, you too, as a lack also causes migraines. Continued below.
Feb 11, 2013
 Summary #2
by: Susan B.

Oct 31, 2012
Does my 14 y.o. son need Progesterone? by: Wray

Hi there I'm so delighted the progesterone has helped you, it does need to be high if symptoms are severe. I'm so saddened to hear about those mega doses of two hormones which increase the risk of cancer. That's being conservative, I believe they actually cause it. We have more info if interested on our HRT page. Plus these on testosterone here, here, here,herehere, here,here, here and here. And it causes visceral fat to increase, see here and here. This is tied to Insulin Resistance and heart disease. Why this hasn't filtered down to where it should go, I don't know. We do have a page on Migraines, I did it as so many women get them, far more than men. Doesn't this say something to the medical profession? We make far more oestrogen than they do, and it is an inflammatory hormone. Your son could well have excess oestrogen, it does cause those symptoms. We do have a page on Man Boobs, another I did as so many men get these now! By the way oestrogen also causes insulin resistance, which sounds very much like your sons problem. The energy formula is designed to help this, so would hopefully help him too. As he's 14 he can take the adult dose. A lack of vitamin D also causes IR, please have a test done on him, you too, as a lack also causes migraines.
Continued below.
Feb 11, 2013
 Summary #2.5
by: Susan B.

Oct 31, 2012
Does my 14 y.o. son need Progesterone?
Part 2 by: Wray

Hi there You might like to read this amusing page here, one woman commented that it wasn't until she got her vitamin D level up, that persistent symptoms went. And that was in spite of large amounts of progesterone. And a lack causes unstable blood glucose and weight gain, see here, here, here,here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Progesterone also helps stabilise blood glucose, see here. I suggest you try your son on 1ml per day, or 33mg progesterone. 1 ml is 1/5th of a tsp. If no change, increase by another ml. It can be rubbed anywhere, but I suggest on the breasts each time it's applied. Does he possibly have Candida? This also causes cravings, tiredness etc. You ask a question about passing things on to the child while in utero, and the answer is yes. It's something which really concerns me. I have put something about it on our Pregnancy page, in the hopes new mothers will take note. It's a relatively new branch of science called epigenetics, one of the pioneers was Bruce Lipton. His books are well worth reading as he makes it so clear. They've discovered toxins or a lack of certain nutrients can cause our genes to change course. It's nothing to do with DNA changes, which falls under genetics. Epigenetic changes are far more serious and insidious too. It's the antithesis of Darwin's belief that changes occur due to DNA modifications. It's given rise to the term 'the foetal origin of adult disease'. Type 1 diabetes being just one of them due to a lack of vitamin D in utero. Insulin resistance is another, which leads to heart disease. Continued below
Feb 11, 2013
 Summary #3
by: Susan B.

Oct 31, 2012

Does my 14 y.o. son need Progesterone? Part 3
by: Wray

Hi there I've already given you enough to cause severe indigestion! But these are papers on epigenetic changes, see here, here,here, here, here, here, here, here, here,here,here and here. And these two here and here. The first gives a graphic picture of what epigenetics can do, the second is the actual paper. Finally I learnt yesterday that micro RNA (the messenger system) found in food, can cause changes in our genes too. So eating GM food is very dangerous, as we know nothing about it's long term effects. The short term are horrific enough as it is. I was sent this video on GM foods by a friend today, so haven't had a chance to view it yet, but Jeffrey Smith is always excellent, so I'm sure the video is too, see here. Take care Wray


Feb 02, 2013


Problems
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray,
I have been using Natpro for about 5 months. I had severe Estrogen Dominence symptoms early on. I started taking large doses up to 1,000mg/day and the severe symptoms seemed to lessen. I am currently backing it down to 320mg/day. I have been diagnosed in the past with Bipolar disorder but always thought it an incorrest diagnosis. I have struggled with depression most of my life but I have some things to be depressed about! It wasn't so bad as to ruin my life! Four weeks ago I had my first full on mania episode. It lasted 3 days. I could not stop talking, could not seep, felt very anxious and way too "up" to be comfortable. Right after that I have a severe case of depression. I mean severe! I am considering going off the Natpro. In more than 5 months of trial it has been awful! I hope I feel better with taking less. Maybe the balance of Estrogen and Progesterone is now imbalanced. I feel like I need Estrogen. Wray, please comment!
Feb 11, 2013
 Summary #4
by: Susan B.

Hi there Please clear something up for me. You say "I started taking large doses up to 1,000mg/day and the severe symptoms seemed to lessen." If they lessened, why are you now reducing, how far have you got, could this not be possibly the reason for the episode? Are you reducing too fast? It should be no more than 20mg/reduction, staying on that for a few days before reducing again. Progesterone does help depression, but using it alone will be an uphill battle, you do need to consider the nutrients which also help. Possibly these are in short supply. There's a list on our Anxiety page. There's reason to believe depression is caused by oxidative stress, as so many of our problems are, see here. Large amounts of antioxidants are needed. Have you noticed any patterns in your episodes prior to using progesterone? As the menstrual cycle and pregnancy can affect it, see here, here and here. Anovulation seems to affect it, and long menstrual cycles, do you have either of these? This is an excellent site here you might like to look through. Vitamin D is vital for all behavioural disorders, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Continued below

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Feb 04, 2013


Problems Part 2
by: Wray

Plus a lack of vitamin D reduces the benefits of progesterone, see here, here and here. Please have a test done, using high amounts of progesterone without high levels of vitamin D is a waste. You might like to see these comments about this here here and here, Scroll to 'Possibly Reconsider'. For more info on vitamin D levels, test kits etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth and Birmingham Hospital. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml (175-250nmol/L) and not the 30ng/ml (75nmol/L) most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although recent research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. Take care Wray
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Feb 11, 2013
 Summary #5
by: Susan B.

Feb 05, 2013


problems
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray,
Thank you for your response. I had the bipolar incidence while I was on 1,000 mg/day of Natpro. I have never had mania/depression that I was able to discern. I was also taking the energy formula while on 1,000mg Natpro but my depression got worse so I stoped that about a month ago. This is why I decided to back off since I had read on-line that too much Progesterone can cause a Bipolar incidente. I have been taking 10,000IU's of vitamin D since I started the Natpro 5 months ago. As I stated in an earlier comment to you, I had a complete hysterectomy in 2007. Prior to that I was on a very high dose of HRT. I know you have stated elsewhere that you can't take too much Progesterone. Is that correct? Should I have a saliva test done? I'm at a loss and I am engaged in a very important court trial and need to be at my best. I have been off Natpro for 3 days now and have been feeling better...less anxiety and depression. But as of 5PM today I am starting another episode of mania...not fun! Please advise me! Thank you
Feb 11, 2013
 Summary #5.5
by: Susan B

Feb 09, 2013


problems
by: Wray

Hi there Thanks for clearing that confusion for me, but I'm left with another. You say "I have never had mania/depression that I was able to discern", but you have been diagnosed with bipolar. Although from what I gather you don't believe this is correct? So the mania and depression you suffer from, you believe is not bipolar but possibly some other problem? According to one psychiatrist, bipolar is often mis-diagnosed. For instance he's found sugar can cause it, and then makes the observation, that once off the sugar the episodes stop, so does that still make the patient bipolar. A lack of many nutrients can cause the episodes. Interestingly, although the energy boost was designed for insulin resistance, all the ingredients have been used successfully for 'bipolar', see AMH. The same site has many other articles you could look through about 'bipolar', see here. You say you said previously that you had a hysterectomy. But I can't find a reference to it anywhere, unless you're the person who first started this page about a 14 yr old son? Which doesn't make much sense to me, as you said "I am finally starting to feel better...thank God!" I'm sorry about this but I find it so hard with anon comments, if the heading remains the same I can cope, but if the anon changes the heading I assume it's a different person. Please confirm you are the same person who started the thread, and who said felt better. What further confuses me you made no acknowledgement of the answer I gave about the son, if you are the same person. Hence my assuming you're not. Unless using IV transfusions, it's impossible to use too much progesterone. Please see this page here. And this one here too. I asked if you found your menstrual cycles affected you, did you see these papers I gave previously here, here and here. I know you don't have any now, but in the past. Continued below
Feb 11, 2013
 Summary #6
by: Susan B.

Feb 09, 2013


problems Part 2
by: Wray

Hi there I can only assume that you are lacking some nutrient that has been amplified by the progesterone and vitamin D. Please look through that paper I gave you from the AMH site about the various nutrients that help mania. Please try taking them individually, you might find the one you need. Although as I said they are all in the energy boost. A saliva test will only show you have a high level of progesterone, nothing more. Let me know how you get on without progesterone. Take care Wray


Hi Wray,
This is my new comment. I have been off Natpro for 9 days now. I am sleeping better and have less anxiety but depression is my constant companion. I stated earlier that I was starting a second mania episode but it really didn't manifest itself in any significant way...not like the episode I had while on the high levels of Progesterone...1,000mg Natpro. I am still serching the internet and your site and feel that Progesterone is needed. I just don't know what is going on with me. I so need to be stable right now. I have already paid for the salive test, ZRT Lab, and am having a complete blood panel done with my family physician this week which will be testing my Vit D as well. I have tried amino acid therapy in the past for depression with out much sucess. I have read that taking certain amino acids too much will have the opposite effect on your symptoms which I felt was happening to me. Also, when I had my periods I didn't correlate them with my symptoms. Thank you for the link to the AMH website. I will continue to study it. Also, my son, who is 14y.o. is taking 10,000IU's of vit D and has been like myself for 5 months. He doesn't want to take the energy formula (although my husband loves it!). He is still overweight and lethargic, but not depressed and seems to have stable moods. My husband doesn't want me to give him Progesterone as he is sceptical of it. I will update you on my progress if that is O.K with you!

Thank you so much!
Feb 12, 2013
 Does my 14 y o son need Progesterone
by: Joy (South Africa)

Hope you don't mind but what a confusing post. Susan B seems to have asked the same questions over and over and Wray has replied so many times.

Susan B you seem to use progesterone and then go off it regularly. You are not allowing progesterone to work properly hence the problems that you are experiencing. I really think that you should stick with the dose that Wray suggests and stay on it, if the dose dose not work, then one usually increases to a dose that suits you.

Perhaps you would like to read this post on Bipolar from Gay who has found how progesterone has helped her.

here.

Please take Wray's advice, she knows what she is talking about.

Thank you Wray for all your wonderful advice and the care that you give us.
Feb 12, 2013
 Summary #6
by: Wray

Hi Susan B Thanks so much for giving me a name and sorting out my muddle! So it was you who started the thread. But it still leaves me baffled. I do know high levels of progesterone can give a sense of euphoria, but I wouldn't describe that as mania! The amino acids are my stand by, I suggest them to so many. Some like tryptophan and GABA are difficult to administer, so I don't usually advise those. One of the most important in tyrosine, as huge demands are made of it. It's the precursor to dopamine, our get up and go neurotransmitter. A lack of this leads to depression. The precursor to the stress hormones adrenaline and noradnenaline, so if stressed levels of dopamine drop, so does tyrosine, as it's going to make these two hormones. The precursor to the two thyroid hormones T3 (triiodothyronine) and T4 (thyroxine), so the thyroid malfunctions if insufficient is available. Plus melanin, the pigment found in hair and skin. Which is why some people turn 'white' when highly stressed. Finally it's part of the enkephalin peptide involved in regulating and reducing pain, and increasing pleasure. Have you tried it? Too much can cause the very symptoms you're trying to get rid of, but starting at about 250mg/day and working up slowly, it's easy to gauge when you've reached the optimal dose. Tyrosine is essential for any stressful situation, cold, fatigue, emotional trauma, prolonged work, sleep deprivation, it improves memory, cognition and physical performance. Two other very calming aminos are taurine and glycine. I take taurine every day, certainly helps calm me down! Pity you didn't find a link to your monthly cycle, we can get very severe symptoms at ovulation too. Sometimes far worse than the few days prior to bleeding. When you say your son has 'been like myself for 5 months', do you mean with the mania? If so this would point the finger at vitamin D and not progesterone, which has me even more baffled! I'm delighted your husband loves the energy boost! And understand his scepticism over your experience with the progesterone and giving it to your son. This comment here has just come in, please have a look at it to see if any of the info could help you. I appreciate any feedback, even if negative! So please keep in touch. Take care Wray

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