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Bad Batches of Natpro???

by Lorraine
(Alamogordo, NM)

Hello!

I've been taking about 300 mg. a day of Natro for several months. I haven't had a period in 4 months. (I'm 51 and in perimenopause). Earlier this week, however, I started bleeding very heavily. I'm disappointed because I thought that by taking 300 mg. daily for several months, this would prevent the uterine wall from building in such a way so as to cause heavy bleeding.

I'm concerned that maybe I have faulty tubes of Natpro, even though I ordered them from your Traverse City, Michigan, distributor.

I just can't understand how I could be taking such a high daily dose and STILL end up with flooding, cramping, and clotting. How can a uterine wall build if someone is taking such a high amount of progesterone, unless, of course, I have bad batches of product.

To me, this should not be. I'm very disturbed.

Lorraine

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Aug 21, 2015
 Bad Batches of Natpro??
by: Joy

Hi Lorraine

I have emailed you regarding your query, if not received, please look in your spam folder. Please let me have the batch number and expiry date of the cream as per my email. One must expect flooding, cramping and clotting etc, during Peri-Menopause, it is a difficult time for most women. No amount of progesterone or drug will help with the natural aging of the body. Progesterone however, will make it easier for you and prepare you for Menopause. For heaving bleeding, there is a protocol which needs to be followed which will help as mentioned on my email.
Aug 31, 2015
 I am curious about this too....
by: Anonymous

I contacted the manufacturer via email that some of the recent tubes had a slight grittiness which I had not experienced before. I was concerned that something may be wrong. No one has responded. Has anyone else experienced this? I hope the efficacy of these tubes has not been compromised.
Sep 02, 2015
 I am curious about this too ...
by: Joy

When you say that you contacted the manufacturer, who would that be exactly? All queries regarding the recent batch of gritty cream have been addressed. You have come through as Anonymous so I can't advise if we replied to you or not. If you have not received an email, please check your spam folder.

As with Lorraine, we need the batch number and expiry date of the tubes which you will find on the actual tube. Once we have this, we can then confirm if this is in fact the batch affected. Grittiness does happen from time to time when crystals form on the sides of the 'mixing bowl'. If this mixture is scrapped too closely to the sides of the bowl when tubing it, it lands up in the mixture. However, there is nothing wrong with the cream, it is still perfectly effective. We are unable to offer a replacement at this stage, as a new batch has not been made in the laboratory yet. We can of course offer you a refund, please advise if this is the case by going through the CONTACT US button. However, I can assure you that the cream is effective, I would be the first to notice as I am currently on my 5th tube of gritty cream. Wray, who uses copious amounts of Natpro, would also have noticed if it were not effective.

Hope this clears things up for you.
Sep 02, 2015
 Gritty Cream
by: Alyce

To me it's simple, if the cream were not effective symptoms would return. I am on my 2nd tube of this gritty cream now and I have not experienced any return of symptoms. Just use the cream, or switch to another brand .... simple.
Sep 02, 2015
 Bad Batches Of Natpro?
by: Lorraine

Alyce,

I must admit that I am surprised that your comment was even allowed to be posted on this forum, as you came across somewhat snappish at the end.

People like Natpro and do not want to switch to another cream, which is why they write in with genuine questions. For you to end your comments with the words, "just use the cream or switch to another brand," is offensive. I don't know who "Anonymous" is, but she obviously likes the Natpro product (as I do) and had genuine concerns about the grittiness that she was observing. When people write in because they have questions about this, they should not get a response that says: "Just use the cream or switch to another brand." With all due respect, if you were the president of a company with an attitude like that, I can assure you that you wouldn't be in business for long.

If you are unable to resist the temptation to be snippy when people write in to this forum with genuine concerns and questions, I respectfully suggest that you keep your computer turned off and leave the responses to people who can be a little more sensitive, compassionate, and respectful.

Lorraine
Sep 05, 2015
 Bad Batches of Napro??
by: Alyce

Lorraine

Like you and everyone else, I am entitled to have my say, this is an open forum. People are so quick to complain about something, I suppose that is life in general. Again I say, use the cream, if your symptoms come back then have your say, if not then use it, it's that simple. To complain about a slightly gritty cream is annoying. If one does not like the grittiness then switch to another cream as I said.

Nope, my computer is staying on ALL the time. Have a good day.
Sep 05, 2015
 Alyce Is Still Not "Getting It"
by: Lorraine

Alyce,

This is not an issue about who is entitled to "have their say" and who is not. The issue is about using respect, compassion, and sensitivity when entering into dialogue with others when "having that say."

You need to be corrected on several counts. First of all, nobody has "complained" about the Natpro product on this particular thread whatsoever. Whoever "Anonymous" is, she was asking a question about grittiness in the Natpro product; she was not complaining. Just because people raise genuine questions does not mean that they are lodging a complaint. This is a faulty and erroneous assumption on your part.

Secondly, even if somebody had lodged a genuine complaint, who are you to decide that they are being "annoying?" Who are you to respond snappishly to people on this forum because you think that their concern is annoying? Do you realize how unreasonable and arrogant you come across to people when you opine in such a way?

Many of the women on this forum are using the Natpro product because they are suffering in many different ways as a result of various hormonal imbalances. The last thing these poor suffering women need is for someone like you to come along and zing them with an attitude that has no business rearing itself on this forum.

Feel free to keep your computer on all day long in order to "contribute" what you believe to be helpful comments on this or any other forum. But if you cannot do so without respect, compassion, and sensitivity to others, don't be surprised if people go after you when you do make those statements.

This is not about your "entitlement to have your say." It's about how you engage in that say and how you enter into dialogue with others. If you cannot see this, then I am left with no other choice but to believe that when it comes to people skills, you are sorely lacking and woefully deficient.

Lorraine
Sep 07, 2015
 Complaints
by: Linda

If I may say something here. To me the correct way to complain about any product would be to go through the correct channels. This is an open forum where one discusses symptoms and health issues, it is a place where so many come to for advice, comfort and reassurance which this wonderful website provides. It is not the place to discuss the consistency of the product. This website, as all websites, has a 'contact us' section where you can query things like this. It shouldn't be discussed on a forum such as this, surely?
Sep 07, 2015
 Complaints
by: Linda

Hi, Linda,

Your point is well-taken, but people who are new to this forum may not be aware of the correct way to proceed when making a genuine inquiry.

If their question gets posted by the people who run this excellent website, then obviously it's not a problem to them. If it was, they would not have posted the question and would simply have responded privately to the individual making the inquiry or expressing a concern.

My point of contention is that none of the unpleasantness occurring at this particular thread would have taken place if Alyce had used a little more kindness, charity, and sensitivity before firing off a post.

People write in because they are looking for, as you have stated, "advice, comfort, and reassurance." Nobody should be attacked or made to feel small simply because a reader thinks that their concern or inquiry is "annoying," as Alyce has so blatantly stated.

Even if people do not go through what you believe to be the proper channels when making an inquiry, that does not justify, and never will justify, people like Alyce posting uncharitable and insensitive comments in response to those inquires and copping an attitude in cyberspace.

That's not what this forum is for. It's for building people up, not tearing people down or making them feel like they should not have asked a question in the first place.

Lorraine
Sep 14, 2015
 Apologies
by: Shalny

I am anonymous. I meant to change the name field but in my haste I posted before doing that. I didn't think it was that big of a deal so I never added a correction post. Soon after I went on vacation and now I am dealing with family issues so I was really behind on my emails. I'm sorry if my post caused so many problems. I'd like to clarify. I sent an email through the Natpro contact button and never got a response. I was about to send another when I saw Lorraine's post. It made me wonder if something may be wrong. I sent a quick question out to see if maybe other users experienced the same grittiness. The forum is connected to Natpro and most people are Natpro users. I was not complaining, just enquiring. You never know, mistakes happen and the manufacturer may not even know. Thanks Joy, I appreciate your response and glad to hear it. I checked my spam folder and it wasn't there, but it may have been too late and may have been purged.
Alyce, I'm glad to hear it's still working for you. Unfortunately it isn't so simple for me. I have to wait till I get my period to see if there are changes. I struggle to find balance. It took a long time before I saw any changes. This last period was heavier than the previous 2, but that may have to do with stress levels or other external factors like diet and D3 levels. Wray always talks how so many factors influence progesterone levels. For me it's not so simple as whether it works or it doesn't. If that were true for me, I would have given up a long time ago. I'm glad I stuck with it and just wanted reassurance as to why it might be gritty. I'm relieved that there is a simple explanation and now I can enjoy the added benefit of exfoliation. LOL
I would like to send out another enquiry. It seems that I don't see Wray's responses anymore. I love reading them and wrote a few posts for which I'd love to get her insights and thoughts. I hope she is well. I do get her newsletter. Does anyone know if she is still answering forum posts?
Sep 24, 2015
 Apologies
by: Wray

Hi Shalny Bless you for the kind words! Yes I am answering a few, Joy does most of them for me as I needed a break! I've been doing this for 18 years now, I'll be 68 in January next year, many years after most women have retired! Not that I ever will, I'd go barmy if I had nothing to do beyond shopping (which I dislike!), spend time on Facebook (which I never do as I dislike it!), have endless cups of coffee or tea with friends (much as I love them, that would begin to pall) etc…..! I need to keep mentally and physically active, and I've been physically inactive for far too long, sitting on my bum all day answering queries! Given a chance I like to get my hands dirty in a garden or on a farm. Besides I do hope all that I've written and all the answers I've given will give people an inkling of how to use progesterone. To treat it as a friend and not something to be feared or to worry about it. Joy has explained about the grittiness, it's not something we expected to happen as the lab has been making the cream for years now, so it came as a shock. Luckily the next batch is back to the smoothness it should be. Thanks for your patience, and so many other users too. Incidentally only about half the people who come to this forum are Natpro users, the rest use other brands, or have it prescribed by their doctors. It seems there are very few manufacturers who bother to answer their customers queries. And very few doctors who know much about it. Take care Wray
Oct 05, 2015
 Wray
by: Shalny

Great to hear from you and that you are well and taking a well deserved break. The work you do is so important to so many of us. Doctors often unknowingly steer us in the wrong direction and this site has helped tremendously. So get your fresh air, excercise, time with friends because you earned it! Come back to us now and then because we love hearing your thoughts and getting your guidance. Incidentally, I hate shopping and Facebook so much that my friends wonder if I'm low on estrogen. I just say... "Quite the opposite unfortunately". Lol
Oct 06, 2015
 Wray
by: Wray

Hi Shalny Loved your comment about being too low in oestrogen! I'm relieved there is someone else who dislikes both those activities. And yes I will and have answered some of the queries, to give Joy a break! I must say I have really enjoyed doing it, particularly those that present a difficult aspect, that require research through numerous studies to see if progesterone can help. I would ask you to continue replying to people too, it's very lonely out there for so many, particularly women. Take care Wray

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