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Never ending Peri

by Kerry
(Powell, Wyoming)

I have been in Perimenopause for at least 7 years, I am now 57 years old. When the peri started like so many others all was very wishy washy and nothing made sense, totally unstable menses month after month. I had 3 small ovarian cysts 2 years ago that went away after being put on oral progesterone. The heavy bleeding continued, so bad that I couldn't leave the house or even lay down to sleep at night for at least 2 full days. Had an intravaginal ultrasound to determine lining thickness and also had a snip of tissue taken from the cervix, all checked out at okay no disease. Yet nobody seemed to be able to help me get the heavy two day bleeding under control. I was directed to a wonderful woman that sat with me for about 2 hours to get the full story about me and my menses and then she put together a plan for me, which included progesterone cream and Iodine with the protocol. This plan has worked wonders for me, but now I am spotting VERY minutely and have been for 9 weeks. She can't figure this issue out and we are at a stand still as far as what more to do to usher me into permanent menopause. I have not had a severe bleeding episode since early March, so I am really happy about that, but now what? The spotting is so minute that it's not really an inconvenience but it would sure be nice to NOT be spotting either.

What makes your progesterone cream better? I will place an order for some and see if it helps at all! I just had my labs done and my FSH is 70.1, progesterone is at .23, estrodial 25.4 and testosterone is 22

In the meantime, all comments and suggestions are welcome!
Thank you,
Kerry

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Jul 23, 2021
 Progesterone
by: Anonymous

I haven’t gone through menopause, but what your describing sounds like the spotting I have had. I would suggest reading about NAC on this site. It has helped end my constant spotting. I would recommend getting it from a vitamin shop as I have found some of the brands you buy from online aren’t as effective as others.
Jul 25, 2021
 Never ending Peri
by: Joy

Hi Kerry

Peri-Menopause (PM) is the most frustrating and often, horrific time in a woman's life.  Also sorts seem to go wrong especially a woman's monthly cycle, including heavy/continual bleeding. Should the heavy bleeding return, please consider trying this protocol which has helped so many women.  Sadly during PM no amount of treatment will help things regulate, you can't change the natural process of the body.  Progesterone can certainly help during this time as well as prepare you for Menopause.

HEAVY/CONTINUAL PROTOCOL
400-500mg Natpro Progesterone Cream per day
2000mg N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) per day
2000mg Taurine per day
5000iu's Vitamin D per day
1000mg Bioflavanoids per day

Cysts are often caused by excess estrogen.  I used to have a constant issue with them, fortunately they all cleared up once I started progesterone.  The thickness of the lining in your uterus is a build up of excess estrogen.  Most doctors suggest surgery to get rid of it.  This is most unnecessary as progesterone does the job perfectly without any horrid side effects.

Your progesterone:estrogen ratio is 9:1 it should be 600:1. you are in desperate need of progesterone.  You can read more on the Hormone Testingpage.

The iodine protocol is very good, but it needs help and that would be progesterone.

Please read the How to use Progesterone Cream and Estrogen Dominance pages.  You definitely have excess estrogen.

I hope this will help you.
Aug 26, 2021
 Never ending peri
by: Anonymous

Thank you Joy and anonymous, not sure how I missed these two comments for so long. I will absolutely do that protocol. I spot so little that it's almost not worth mentioning, but I know it's happening and that tells me that I am in need of something more, so I will let you know how that goes. I do not have cysts thank God, so that is a non-issue.
Kerry
Aug 30, 2021
 Never ending peri
by: Anonymous

Hi Joy,
I just requested that my order be cancelled but I am not sure that is what I want. If I start out at a very low dose of Natpro and work up slowly will that help the dry eyes and mouth issue to not be so severe or at all? I purchased all that I need for the protocol that you recommended and started it yesterday, Will that help with the dryness issues? Please try to respond quickly as I don't want to cancel if I can see a light at the end of this dry tunnel!
Thank you!
I am also willing to give you my phone number if we can do it privately somehow!
Kerry
Aug 30, 2021
 Never ending Peri
by: Joy

​Hi Kerry

I don't think that the protocol will work successfully without the Natpro Progesterone Cream. You need that to balance your hormones. You could try to use a lower dose and see if it works for you. The protocol without progesterone will definitely not help your dryness. As mentioned previously, I have dealt with and still deal with ladies who battle dryness. Progesterone has and is helping them greatly.

Let me know how you get on if you do use it without progesterone. We are all here to learn.

It will help me if you keep one thread going. That way I have all the info in one place. Many thanks. ​​
Aug 30, 2021
 Never ending peri
by: Kerry

Well I cancelled the cancel on my Natpro order and will just keep on using it and somehow deal with the dry eyes and mouth issue. I am mostly concerned about eye damage before the whole issue balances out if it ever does. I have been using progesterone and following other progesterone pages for years and have yet to hear of anyone that gets balanced and figures out how to stay balanced. It's getting rather discouraging and obviously I have been patient and tried everything, but will keep on trying as I desperately want to stay off of man made meds and I refuse to use conventional doctors, they know nothing about real health and wellness. I hope my order ships soon as I am going to need a ton more to get me past this frustrating stage. I have not and do not plan on stopping progesterone in general, I just have never had the dryness issues before yours. That tells me that there is something very different and most likely good about your product, but I can't allow myself to cause myself more problems with eye damage or teeth damage in the process.
Thank you again!
Kerry
Aug 30, 2021
 Never ending peri
by: Kerry

I responded here earlier and do not see my response. Do you approve the responses before you post them or what? This the second comment that seems to have vanished.
Kerry
Sep 12, 2021
 First dose Natpro
by: Kerry

I bought Natpro for my daughter who has been using other progesterone creams for the last 4 months, mostly with good results. She stopped about 3 weeks ago as she felt like things we not continuing to go well. She started gaining weight, period was heavy, acne...I purchased the Natpro for her and she used a dose as soon as she got it and experience a racing heart, brain fog and severe fatigue within minutes. She is going to get her hormones checked when the time is right which will be next week according to her menses. I believe her Estrogen is high and possibly her testosterone is as well due to the acne? Anyway, what would you suggest she do dosage wise. She is 30 years old, takes iodine, selenium, B-50, C, D3 (10,000 IU), magnesium daily and I believe that is all. She has two little boys, a good stable marriage and decent job, so her life is pretty normal but gets stressful mostly because of the tyranny going on in the country/world right now, otherwise feels good about her life.
Thank you all!
Kerry
Sep 12, 2021
 First dose Natpro
by: Joy

Hi Kerry

Stopping progesterone has caused estrogen to take over.  It usually takes 2-6 months before one notices the benefits of progesterone provided it is being used correctly. Sometimes a longer period is needed, it all depends on how severe symptoms are and how much excess estrogen one has.  What cream/s was she using and how much per day?  Weight gain usually takes place when progesterone is not being used correctly  i.e.  not enough.  No less than 100mg using a 3.33% cream is needed, more if symptoms are severe.

Acne could be that her hormones were still adjusting or her testosterone level is high.  The correct use of progesterone should help greatly.  Racing heart is very scary, again not enough progesterone is being used. Go high until things settle down, then she can reduce to no less than 100mg

What is B-50?  I have never come across that before.  I am happy with the other nutrients that she is taking.  Zinc is good for acne, so she should add that too, it is also a required co-factor for D3.

We are all dealing with Stress, world wide over and above our usual stressful day.  Now stress destroys progesterone levels as well as D3 and B12, nutrients in general actually.  During stressful times, progesterone and nutrients need to be increased.

Your daughter will have to start from the beginning now.  I suggest that she use the cream every day, between 100-200mg per day.  Do not take breaks.  This may disrupt her cycle a little, she must ignore this.  Once her cycle has returned to normal and she is stable, she can then and only then start to use the cream by following her cycle  i.e.  luteal phase.  Refer her to the How to use Progesterone Cream page which has been mentioned a few times on this thread.

Best wishes to your daughter.
Sep 12, 2021
 First dose
by: Kerry

Thank you Joy!
Oct 18, 2021
 Never ending peri
by: Kerry

Just thought I would give an update. When I first started this blog my concern was that I was spotting and had been for 9 weeks. Well here I am at exactly 5 months into that "spotting" session and I have finally gone 4 days straight without spotting and my fingers are crossed. The three differences I made were suggested by you Joy and others. I added NAC, I gradually bumped up my daily intake of progesterone to 9 pumps (was as 6) and I started applying my evening doses vaginally. The vaginal applications were what seemed to make the difference spotting wise. I will plan to do this for a while, but am wondering if you can give me an idea how long I should plan on doing this routine and amount? Obviously that means I am using a TON of cream and we know it's not inexpensive, but I am willing to keep this up as long as I can afford it and you all can keep me supplied. It would be nice to know that I won't have to continue this for too long and when I do start decreasing, how do I go about that, when and
at what rate do I decrease? BTW, when I use it vaginally, I am putting as much cream into an appropriate syringe that came in the package of OTC cream used for yeast infection medicine and I am inserting it as far up as possible, I assume that is okay?
Thank you for your time!
Kerry
Oct 20, 2021
 Never ending Peri
by: Joy

Hi Kerry

Thank you for your update. I am pleased to hear that the "spotting" has eased up somewhat. I always advise that progesterone therapy takes between 2-6 months before benefits are felt. Some take longer, others are lucky enough to feel the benefits sooner! Apart from adding NAC, did you add any of the other nutrients mentioned on the heavy bleeding protocol? They are also important.

The vagina absorbs progesterone extremely well as you have experienced. I wish others would do the same. You have only been "spotting" free for less than a week. Please give it another week, then you can slowly reduce the amount of Natpro used. You are currently using 450mg, reduce by 50mg, stay on that amount for a week then reduce again by another 50mg and so on. See how you get on with that. Should the "spotting" return then you would have reduced too soon and need a longer time on the higher amount. Again, experiment to see what works for you best. Please remember to never use less than 100mg per day. It's really difficult giving an exact time frame as we are all different. Also remember that you are in peri-menopause and what you are experiencing is common. Progesterone certainly helps but it may not stop the spotting altogether. It's something that every woman has to live with unfortunately. The heavy bleeding protocol has been an absolute success, but ALL nutrients should be taken or used.

Personally and never bother with an applicator, I just use my finger! Works perfectly.

Please continue to keep us posted.
Oct 20, 2021
 Never ending peri
by: Kerry

Thank you Joy,
Yes, I have been on ALL of the other supplements for years religiously, not so much for peri issues, but just because they are good for me.

Are you saying that I may spot for the rest of my life? REALLY????

Oct 20, 2021
 Never ending Peri
by: Joy

Hi Kerry

You made me laugh now. Of course you will not spot for the rest of your life, good grief that would finish me off totally. All spotting/bleeding/clotting stops when in Menopause. The "bleeding days" of OVER then!! I refer to while in PM. Relax hahaha. Progesterone helps tremendously while in PM. Some experience total relief, others still experience slight symptoms. Again, we are all different.
Oct 21, 2021
 Never ending peri
by: Kerry

Joy
Haha, when you wrote "Also remember that you are in peri-menopause and what you are experiencing is common. Progesterone certainly helps but it may not stop the spotting altogether. It's something that every woman has to live with unfortunately." That made me think you were saying some spot forever. So glad I misunderstood that. Okay, no need to respond, just felt the need to let you know why I questioned you. Have a good day and thank you again!
Kerry
Nov 06, 2021
 Never ending peri
by: Kerry

Just taking a few minutes to check in. I am just recovering from a HORRIBLE case of the China virus. It was so bad that I literally had no energy or desire to use my Natpro for the two weeks that I was ill. When I stopped using the cream I stopped spotting after spotting for 6 months. I started back up a few days ago because I am a strong believer that we need to supplement progesterone and I started bleeding again. So, I stopped again and am back to no spotting! Not sure what the heck is going on, but I will not be continuing to use the cream until my body gives me some other clue that tells me that I should start up again.

As far as fighting the China Virus, I had on hand all the ingredients for the Ivermectin protocol with all of the supplements recommended and started it the second I found out that I was positive. I believe our allopathic docs and medical facilities are now our enemy and I refused to seek their help. I fought this battle on my own and I won and as bad as it was, I will gladly fight that battle alone again and if it kills me next time, then I will consider it Gods plan for my life!
Best regards,
Kerry Redmond
Dec 16, 2024
 Never ending Peri
by: Kerry

Okay, here I am at almost 61 and I am finally in solid Menopause, I think! In the process of getting here, I have learned a ton by doing my own research. I started having what I believed to be Gout symptoms. I was pretty sure as I had a twin brother that I cared for that had it severely and it actually attacked his vital organs and caused his demise. He wasn't a drunk, there is a ton more to the story that I will skip. Anyhow, I learned before menopause that women are more likely to get gout once they hit menopause and I was questioning why. So, I dug into the subject and found from a few reliable sources that estrogen helps flush uric acid from the body. Our estrogen (and progesterone) drop significantly (down to 0 if we let them) and therefore uric acid (which occurs naturally) is allowed to flourish. I started supplementing with estrogen cream as well as my progesterone to keep the estrogen in check and voila, the gout symptoms disappeared. I highly recommend you talk to your homeopath or naturopath to get their opinions on this matter if you are one of those suffering with gout in your peri or menopause years. Don't bother with an allopath, they couldn't care less and most likely will not know anything about the correlation anyway. Your H or N doc may not either, but they will care and they will find the truth and help you. Remember too that the estrogen called Estradiol can cause cancers in those that have that hereditary factor in their genes, I thankfully do not have it.
Be well my friends and be your own advocate.
Kerry

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