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SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE.....

by nadine
(UK)

I am 46, and off from work with a doctors note for 'stress/depression' which i thought came on quite suddenly but on reflection, after reading some of your pages/stories.....I have been feeling empty and overwhelmed progressively for years but most of what I am talking here i would say has become most noticeable in the past year and a half.

At work I recently have felt the pressure more with growing (unfounded) anxiety about my skills and effectiveness. I feel anxious about the future, tearful and quick to anger. At home I have become disinterested - in gardening, cooking, keeping on top of things generally; and living only with a teen who is out most of the time has given me 'permission' to not notice this. This has also given me free rein to eat large portions of chocolates without anyone seeing. And sometimes bread and cheese which I know do not agree with my system at all. I know about healthy eating, and am vegetarian and have tried raw vegan before but seem determined to not want this kind of food anymore? Eating chocs I have come to do almost daily now - craving them hugely, like I used to crave cigarettes when I was a smoker (8+ years ago now). Obviously this is impacting on my weight (and self-esteem) - I am now the heaviest I have been since pregnancy at 12+ stone (havent got on scales for a few weeks) at 5'4". I used to enjoy jogging and swimming but I just dont have the motivation or energy these days, even with co-runners and goals to aim for. I do not drink but have craved to have a few and smoke cigarettes again recently.

My mind is foggy, my memory poor, and I can get very light headed for which I have had days off work. I have started to get shaky if I havent eaten and I go for chocolate at these times. I experience stiffness in my joints especially in my fingers and I have the start of swollen first joints like arthritis in my fore fingers. I get pain in my knees and hips at times. I get headaches more frequently than I used to. I asked the doctor to test for pre-menopause and my FSH/LH levels which i dont know but they reported they were fine and in fact that I should ensure `i use contraception as I am still fully fertile'. My blood cholesterol is around 4.3 but needs testing again. In the UK we cannot ask for the tests you mention quite so readily through the NHS so the absolute necessities and why would be helpful to know?

Usually in the first part of the month I can find motivation and positivity, but 14 days into my very regular 28 day cycle I feel the shift in my moods and cravings etc as above MASSIVELY. I only menstruate for 2 days; 1 heavy, 1 very light but I get nausea/cramps like I did as a teenager. I do not take any medications at all and have not done so for years. I have taken Vit D mouth spray and various multi-vits in the past but have forgotten to do so in recent months.

I wonder what you think/advise?? I would really appreciate some thoughts.
Best wishes to all

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Dec 07, 2012
 SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE
by: Carol K

Hi Nadine
It sounds like you are really going through a tough time. I am sure Wray will get back to you as soon as she can. She is an Angel so please trust her advice which I am sure will include the fact that you sound like you are Estrogen dominant and need to be using Progesterone Cream. I have done lots of research and Wray has helped me so much. Natpro is a great Progesterone Cream and you can purchase it from her site. Otherwise, she may have a supplier in the U.K. Good luck. Regards. Carol.
Dec 07, 2012
 Progesterone Cream
by: Dan

You should look into this as I have. Ask Wray for definate doses and info. I bet it will straighten you out! I noticed a change right away. It will probably give you renewed confidence and a feeling of well being.
Dec 07, 2012
 SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE.....
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Peri-menopause says it all. I found it the hardest phase of my life, although having said that I had PND too, which was awful. P-M was like having PND but it went on for longer! I was active like you, but went on to develop all the symptoms you describe. Except I was spared the cravings thank heavens. I prefer to go by symptoms rather than tests, these can be of interest though. As they point out why the symptoms are so bad. The only tests of any significance are those for progesterone and oestrogen. It's the ratio of these which is the critical factor, not the levels of each. We've found from Saliva Tests a naturopath runs for us periodically, that the ratio of P:E2 should be 600:1 and over to feel well. The tests are performed by Genova Diagnostics in Surrey, thus avoiding the painfully slow NHS. It's interesting you feel a shift on day 14, this is when you would be ovulating. 50 hour prior to ovulation oestrogen rises exponentially, progesterone should too. It's always been believed, and still is by everyone including the medical profession, that progesterone is only produced by the corpus luteum after ovulation. But as far back as 1930 it was thought there must be another source. This was confirmed in the 1960's, and re-confirmed in the 1980's, that there is an exponential rise of progesterone about 50 hours prior to ovulation. This surge comes from the brain, see here, here, here and here. Unless there is the progesterone surge too, there is nothing to counter the oestrogen effect. This explains why many women get migraines, seizures, palpitations, panic attacks and asthma attacks around ovulation. The same reasoning can be applied to the symptoms that occur during progesterone withdrawal prior to bleeding, commonly referred to as PMS. It would appear you're not getting the progesterone surge. And that possibly your corpus luteum is not producing sufficient progesterone to counter the oestrogen during the luteal phase. Continued below
Dec 07, 2012
 SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE..... Part 2
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Known as luteal insufficiency, these are a few papers here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Or you are not ovulating regularly, which is the norm for P-M. This leaves women in a permanent state of Oestrogen Dominance. Oestrogen is an excitatory, inflammatory hormone, high in problems like arthritis, painful joints etc. It also affects headaches and Migraines. It's also one cause of cramps, along with other inflammatory prostaglandins, cytokines and chemokines. Plus it destabilises blood glucose, see here, thus causing cravings. Substance P is a nociceptive neuropeptide, involved in pain and nausea, oestrogen interacts with it, progesterone inhibits it, but only if levels are high enough, see here. This paper here says "Recent developments with substance P antagonists have demonstrated the importance of substance P in several models of disease that span from asthma to chronic bronchitis; from cystitis, inflammatory bowel disease to migraine; emesis, depression, pain and seizures." It would seem your substance P levels are high, and your oestrogen too. If this is the case you would need about 400mg/day progesterone. I also suggest you take 4000-8000mg/day glutamine. This amino acid is remarkable at helping if not stopping nausea. It also increases energy levels. There's more info on it here.
Continued below
Dec 07, 2012
 SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE..... Part 3
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Please have a vitamin D test done, it could be you're not taking enough. For more info on vitamin D levels, test kits etc see the Vitamin D Council, GrassrootsHealth and Birmingham Hospital. Blood levels should be 70-100ng/ml (175-250nmol/L) and not the 30ng/ml (75nmol/L) most labs and doctors regard as adequate. The minimum daily dose should be 5000iu's per day, although recent research indicates it should be 10,000iu's per day, see here. Birmingham Hospital charge £25 for their kit, and send the result back by email. Please ignore their 'adequate' level of 50nmol/L, even the FDA have set theirs at 75nmol/L. Specialists believe levels should be in the range of 175-250nmol/L. A lack of vitamin D reduces the benefits of progesterone, see our page on Traumatic Brain Injury, causes depression, see here, here, here, here, here. and here. Causes headaches, see here, here, here and here. Destabilises blood glucose, see our page on Insulin Resistance. And causes pain and more. Take care Wray
Dec 07, 2012
 Progesterone Cream
by: Wray

Hi Dan Bless you for saying that. It's good to hear from you again, it is the Dan I'm thinking of, from Selden, NY? Our last conversation ended with you saying you were going to try the yam cream on your sweet potatoes! You are so right about the 'renewed confidence and a feeling of well being', my self esteem was shot before I discovered it, so many things were shot. Too many to tell Nadine, my answer was already long enough to give her indigestion! Take care Wray
Dec 07, 2012
 SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE
by: Wray

Hi Carol Bless you for saying all that! Take care Wray
Dec 07, 2012
 blown away!
by: Nadine

Bless you all for caring enough to comment and advise so thoughtfully and with such knowledge. I AM blown away by this <3

I appreciate your individualised reply to me Wray and will do all you advise, not least order some cream pronto! Can I get any more quickly from anywhere in the UK??

Thaks again all, I will keep you informed....lots to read and do yet (notably today Wray I felt a little better and by end of day noticed my discharge changed to globby gloopy - relevant??)
Dec 08, 2012
 SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE
by: Carol K

Hi Wray
Your Energy Boost Formula sounds WONDERFUL! I am definitely going to try it.Much easier and cheaper than buying these products individually and then trying to work out the dosage needed. Thanks again for the wonderful advice you have given on this posting. Regards. Carol.
Dec 08, 2012
 blown away!
by: Wray

Hi Nadine It is so wonderful people respond as they do, we all need encouraging when down. I have an amazing friend who put up with my endless tears and the woes I'd pour out. She lives in London, and can send you the cream within a day, her name is Julienne. She is also a registered EFT therapist, another wonderful therapy which you might consider doing. Please contact her via her website here. She can give advice on the progesterone and vitamin D too. She's been helping me for 16 years now. If you had done nothing to change your symptoms, I can only assume it was the response you got from Dan and Carol that made you feel better! And 'globby gloopy'?! This to me would indicate it had become thicker? Which would mean it was clotting. If you had been using progesterone this would make sense, as it often cleans out a lining that has become too thick. Let me know if I understand you correctly. Take care Wray
Dec 08, 2012
 SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE
by: Wray

Hi Carol Bless you! I find it is, can't do without it now, been taking it for about 5 years. I over did things at one point. Working on the web and then was finally persuaded by a chef friend to do up a new restaurant he was opening. So I would go down there after work, and with helpers, we'd work late into the night. I became so exhausted I remember one evening not being able to talk! As I had frequent calls for help with tiredness, I thought it about time I looked into it. This lead me to Insulin Resistance and all it entails. So I put together the formula, after having read many studies on the subject. I used the same nutrients they used which had worked, plus using the same dosage too, but combined them all into one. I kept it as a powder as it's far cheaper than caps or tabs, plus I can't swallow the damn things! I take it in juice, but my brother takes his in water....not my idea of fun. One woman wrote in to say she loves it in soda water....no accounting for tastes! Take care Wray
Dec 08, 2012
 Energy Boost???
by: Anonymous

Dear Carol
Where is this Energy Boost Formula mentioned here in this posting please? I hope I havent done the wrong thin now by ordering a number of tubes of the cream online last night?...now awaiting their arrival in the UK :-)

Wray, any advice as to how to use it when it arrives to its best is welcome, and the preparation I can do while i wait? I also would like to offer it to my 17 year old daughter as prevention more than anything and my 76 year old father on hormone treatment for prostate cancer????
Dec 08, 2012
 Energy Boost???
by: Wray

Hi Nadine It does get rather confusing! I gave you the link to our insulin resistance page, and the EB is on that. Plus Carol had asked me in another post about her husband being tried, working out a great deal in the gym and having night sweats. I said it all sounded like a sharp drop in blood glucose. That he needed to stop any sweet foods if he ate them, and that he would need glutamine to stop all the above symptoms. There's a great deal in the EB, plus other needed nutrients. And no you haven't done anything wrong, but I have given you the name of a friend of mine in London who carries stock. Too late it seems, although you could still get a tube from her, as it takes about 5 days from the US. There's no hard and fast rule to using progesterone, apart from using it a minimum of twice a day, as levels drop after about 13 hours. There are times when it benefits to use it hourly if symptoms are very bad. Or every time a hot flush is about to come, apply some then. Or if a headache is beginning, rub some under the ears, all over the neck and face. The amount I've asked you to use is 12ml or 2.4tsp of cream. We do have a chart at the very bottom of our page on How to use progesterone cream, giving ml and tsp. It's a very light cream so goes a long way. I would suggest you divide that amount into at least three applications. The skin comprise 95% kerotinocytes, they have ample progesterone receptors. Even the hair follicles absorb it well, so it can be applied anywhere, see here, here and here. There are many Progesterone Misconceptions, so I did this page on them, just in case you come across them. The web is littered with them! I put my daughter on progesterone when she was 14, she's used it ever since and is now 31. My reasoning was the same as yours. I hope Dan sees your comment about the prostate cancer as he has it. As far as I'm aware he only uses progesterone, no drugs. And what hormone treatment is your father getting? Anti-androgens possible, and yet there's so much evidence it's not testosterone that causes it! See here, and here. Continued below
Dec 08, 2012
 Energy Boost??? part 2
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Plus more here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. These on the 'anti-androgens', which all have androgenic activity, see here, here, here and here. The only drug with no androgenic activity is Flutamide. Or maybe he's been given an aromatase inhibitor? See here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Continued below
Dec 08, 2012
 Energy Boost??? part 3
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Progesterone also inhibits aromatase slightly. But progesterone inhibits testosterone production very safely by increasing levels of SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin), see here. If bound to SHBG testosterone becomes inactive. By the way inhibiting testosterone does not affect Libido! In fact we have many men using progesterone to increase theirs. The link above shows why. And please get your father to have a vitamin D test done. It's low in over 20 cancers, one being prostate. Many believe it's low vitamin D which increases the risk for them, see here, here, here, here, and here. I would suggest he gets his level to at least 250nmol/L, but unless he has the test, he won't know how much to take. And please see these comments here, here and here. And these videos on cancer and vitamin D here, here, here and here. Take care Wray
Dec 08, 2012
 SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE
by: Carol K

The information about Energy Boost can be found in Wray's posting above. The last line of Part 2 - click on the word "here" for the information. I am keen to try it. It contains lots of good stuff in the ideal quantities, so it saves one buying a lot of individual products.
The best advice about using Progesterone Cream is to remember that MORE is better than less. If your symptoms worsen because of Estrogen Dominance do NOT reduce the cream, INCREASE it. I think this is the biggest mistake people make. They experience adverse symptoms and immediately reduce the cream which is the worst thing to do. Anyway, take Wray's advice. Good luck!
Dec 09, 2012
 SITTING SEARCHING ONLINE
by: Wray

Hi Carol How right you are. The web is littered with people who have tried progesterone at the recommended 20-40mg/day and have suffered severe Oestrogen Dominance. And understandably blame progesterone, as no one has explained to them how it stimulates oestrogen. People write in to this site saying when they stopped the progesterone they felt so much better! But have the symptoms gone that caused them to use it in the first place, and of course the answer is no. Using this reasoning, never mind all the studies, one has to realise far more is needed to achieve a balance. I have found that the worse the symptoms, the more is needed to overcome the excess oestrogen. You might be interested in reading these two pages from Sage, this is her own story here and this is one she wrote to encourage another woman here. I'm so delighted she has found by taking 20,000iu per day vitamin D that she has found symptoms resolving. Plus she's now using 1000mg/day progesterone. I always prefer it if people get their D levels up high, than use huge amounts of progesterone, because it's needed, and it's cheaper! Take care Wray
Dec 11, 2012
 Counting the days.....
by: Nadine

....till my cream arrives!
Thanks Wray for giving me Jules' contact details here in the UK. I have emailed her and she replied quickly; it feels great to have that 'local' link and support. I am ordring the Vit D test to start with, and will request the FSH/LH and thyroid results taken some months back from the Doctor and let you know them???? Is this enough action to get started with the cream? Should I tell my Doctor what I am doing? Is there a best current research/evidence link to give to her??

Interestingly looking through my old books, I found one I bought a lot of years ago called 'What your doctor may not tell you about Menopause - The Breakthrough book on Natural Progesterone' (1996) by John R Lee M.D. So obviously this has resonated with me somehow for a long time. I didnt follow it up then, not sure why; probably just too alternative, too young, not bad enough symptoms and I have dabbled with other things like raw foods and colonics etc. And just wishing and waiting for it to change!!!!!

when I did stick with the raw food diet more, and use superfoods like Maca and vits and minerals supplements daily, I did feel better especially in the energy levels, clearer head and slightly more balanced mood. But I felt bloated and did not lose weight as I was eating a lot of raw rich, nut based concoctions to replace my pizzas, chocolates and cakes. Not the solution either!!

Thanks again all :-)
Dec 11, 2012
 Vit D
by: Nadine

Hi, test is ordered. Do you recommend a particular form of Vit D? I have got a mouth spray called Vitashine from Detoxyourworld website. Its D3 and one spray= 5ug (200U)?? Cost around £10 and tastes ok, just like oil. Its vegan :-)
Dec 14, 2012
 Counting the days.....
by: Wray

Hi Nadine So pleased you made contact with Jules, she is a delight too, and very understanding. Very pleased you've ordered the D test, I would really love to hear the results. The other results if you can get them would be good too. You could tell your doctor, not sure what sort of reception you'll get! One woman has just written in saying hers was very patronising, saying things like there's no evidence it works, and it's not absorbed well through the skin. What saddens me is all the research that's been done, on skin absorption too, thousands of papers. Hundreds of them are on this site too. It's been used safely for over 60 years, Dr Dalton was the main protagonist for progesterone. She began using it in the late 40's for her patients. She herself was cured of migraines by her doctor, who was the brother of Graham Green the author. She practiced for many years in Harley Street before her death in 2004, and wrote several books worth reading, Amazon stock them. Raw foods and superfoods are good, but it is possible to overdo the nut concoctions! Delicious but I find them too much for me, one or two mouthfuls is enough. Jules stocks vitamin D in various doses so you could ask her. It doesn't come with magnesium, which is the most important co-factor for vitamin D. The best forms of this are either the chelated ones, or Mg citrate. The spray you have is a very low dose, it is 200iu, so you would need to spray it 25 times a day to get the barest minimum! Take care Wray
Dec 19, 2012
 cream has arrived!!!
by: Nadine

Hi Wray
Sorry to bother you but my 6 tubes of cream have now arrived in the UK!!! However, I thought you said that they came in tubes with dispensers that made it easy to measure dosage? These are ordinary tubes like hand creams etc come in. Can you help me decide how to start using this please? I know you've given me lots of advice and links in the previous comments, which I appreciate hugely, but maybe you can give me a simple 'how to' from where im at?
I havent received my Vit D result yet and have been informed it will be a few days yet, but Vit B12 and iron are fine, and the other results I have (from 18 June 2012) are as follows:

Serum Lipids
serum cholesterol 5.5 mmol/L
serum triglycerides 1.0 mmol/L
serum HDL 1.58 mmol/L
serum LDL 3.52 mmol/L
serum cholesterol/HDL ratio 3/4 l/l

R Pituitary TFT
serum TSH 0.93 mu/L
serum free T4 12.6 pmol/L

R LH and FSH
serum LH 3.6 u/L
serum FSH 6.2 u/L
(The paperwork states LH normal range as 1.3-8.4u/l and FSH as 2.9-8.4 u/L.)

I hope this makes sense to you!!!
Dec 19, 2012
 going over old ground
by: Nadine

Wray
Sorry, earlier I sent you another comment asking for advice that you have already given me! Just shows how foggy and loose my mind is at the moment.

Does the cream have an immediate effect? Earlier i rubbed some on and had a tearful outburst straight after. Also felt nauseous, hot and slightly wobbly like when your blood sugars are low for about 10 minutes and then it passed. Put some more on. Have put approx 2 tspns on since cream arrival today at 4pm. Will split this tomorrow into am and pm. Vit D spray too (10 squirts min), Multivit called Magnesium OK and B12. Probiotics and lysine 500mg. Green powder (like your energy booster) once daily.

Really hope this helps......
Dec 20, 2012
 cream has arrived!!!
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Well I'm very pleased to hear that, I was concerned with it being Christmas, it would take much longer. No I've never mentioned dispensers, as we don't have one and never have. People have asked us but it's an impossible request. We have men using maybe 33mg to 100mg per day, and women using 1000mg to 2000mg/day. And every variation in between. The best means of measuring is a 5ml kitchen measuring spoon, or one from a health shop which comes ready marked in ml. All your markers are fine except they've probably told you your total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol are slightly high. It would be interesting to see your vitamin D results, as low levels are often related to higher than normal cholesterol. And you are not in Menopause, obviously as you still have a cycle, but your LH and FSH are both within normal range. We do have a page on Hormone Testing you could look through. I'm a little confused by your request "Can you help me decide how to start using this please?" I suggested you tried 400mg/day, as I don't think any less would help you. That's 12ml of cream, or 2.4 tsp (2 4/5th), but it must be a 5ml spoon, many mistakenly use any teaspoon, but these vary from 3ml to 6ml. I also think you would benefit from using this amount daily, through any bleeding, as it's evident your oestrogen is too high. If I've confused you further, please contact Julienne, she will be able to guide you through it. I would like to hear about your vitamin D results when you get them. Take care Wray
Dec 21, 2012
 going over old ground
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Ah I was a bit puzzled! Progesterone can have an immediate effect, depends on the symptoms, how bad they are, how much oestrogen is present etc. Oestrogen does de-stabilise blood glucose, see here. So your description is spot on. I feel you would do better splitting your daily amount into more than twice a day. Try at least 3 times, if not more frequent. Use it as you did when applying more after your wobble. It doesn't matter how many times you apply it, some do so hourly. I worked out you would need 25 squirts of your vitamin D spray to get to the 5000iu minimum. So the 10 squirts is not going to do much, certainly not bring your level up. Please chat to Julienne about it, she carries stock. You asked me on this page, and started another one too, about your father and his prostate cancer, see here. I replied giving you papers on both pages, but you haven't mentioned it. Did you see my replies? And have you seen the other page too? You also asked about your daughter on this page too, but made no mention of having read what I gave you. Take care Wray
Dec 21, 2012
 Vit D result
by: Nadine

Hi Wray
26.3nmol/L. Deficient!
Sorry if it looks like 1) I repeat myself and my Q's a lot
2)Ive not mentioned the replies re Dad and daughter.
I really appreciate all your advice and sharing of knowledge :-)

Dad is having a look at the pages over Xmas, but seems...reluctant so far. He May take a Vit D test though.
Daughter, the same really...have to pick my moment ;-/

So, I am on day three, already noticing varied mood rather than just flat....tears and anger and ok-ness. I am using 2 heaped teaspoonfuls morning and evening, and despite all your words saying you cant use too much, weirdly I feel a tad nervous using more at these times. I know, I shouldnt and I will try and encourage myself to do so. Daily, minmum of 2 teaspoons and more regularly throughout the day.

No more immediate reactions like day one as yet.

Many thanks again, wishing you a happy holiday period and I will stay in touch here (if thats ok?) Looing forward to you/Julienne's response to my Vit D results!
Love Nadine
Dec 22, 2012
 Vit D result
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Wellll!!! That doesn't surprise me in the slightest! Even by NHS standards you are deficient. I feel you should get it up high as quickly as you can. Please contact Julienne for the vitamin D, as I think you should take 100,000iu for 5 days only, then reduce down to 20,000iu and have another test in say 2 months. If concerned about taking the 100,000iu please read thus paper here. The study gave elderly people a once off 500,000iu dose, I'm asking you to take this spread over 5 days. I take this amount whenever I feel any sign of a bug, it doesn't get a chance! I have a test done every 6 months, and currently my level is 230nmol/L. I intend keeping it up there. If you have low vitamin D, I'm sure your father will have too, and your daughter, and any other family member for that matter. Please don't feel nervous about using the amount of progesterone you are. A study done last year on brain tumours in children under one year, gave 50-100mg/kg. This is equivalent to a 50kg (110lb) woman using 2500-5000mg/day. The tumours regressed, but the healthy cells showed no signs of toxicity at all, remaining healthy throughout, see here. Please stay in touch, feedback is essential for me! And a merry Christmas to you too. Take care, love Wray
Jan 09, 2013
 New Year update....aching joints?
by: Nadine

Happy New Year Wray!
I thought you might like an update: Ive been using a teaspoon (roughly, i dont measure it) of cream twice a day since Dec 19th now. Rubbed wherever is free but mainly on my abdomen, chest or thighs. Vit D at 20,000 for 10 days or so now till the day before yesterday when Jules kindly posted the strong one to me, so I am on day 2 of the 100,000 dosage.
I feel less foggy headed, my ovulation and period passed by with little apparent impact, my mood is improving. BUt as I said before it is more variable now so I feel extremes of emotion more readily than flatness or lethargy.
2 things that have become noticeable are
1) continued painful aching joints/muscles especially in my thumbs, fingers, knees and sometimes hip/elbows. Any ideas??
2) strange nightmares and still heavy but unrested sleep, once I do get to sleep - often not till the early hours. Then I cant easily get up of course!
I have also put effort into my nutrition - better foods including smoothies, veggies etc. Plus a supplement of multi-vits, B12, omega3 and probiotics. Also meditation practice.
I started a trial at the local yoga centre and actually am beginning to feel I might have the energy and motivation to follow something like this through! I am not back at work yet sadly. Still too tearful and overwhelmed.

Any comments or thoughts would be gratefully accepted
best wishes
Nadine
Jan 13, 2013
 New Year update....aching joints?
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Happy New Year to you too! Many thanks for the feedback. Glad you're trying the high dose vitamin D, but only for a maximum of 6 days, then back down to the 20,000iu/day. But please have a test done after about a month, as the 100,000iu will bring the level up high very quickly. Pleased ovulation and period passed without too many problems. The variable moods would be caused by your body settling down into getting the progesterone and vitamin D, it can be a bumpy ride initially. The painful joints/muscles etc could be a reaction to progesterone stimulating oestrogen. It's impossible to tell which area, organ, system will be helped first. I've found in some women emotional problems for instance, are sorted quickly, in others it's the last to be helped. I wish there was some consistency! The other reason is lack of magnesium (Mg). If Mg is low and vitamin D is increased it results in pain. If vitamin D is low and Mg is increased, it results in pain. You could have your levels checked, but waiting for the NHS to come back to you would take forever, so try taking Mg instead. Start off lowish with say 200mg/day, increasing gradually. The best forms are either an amino acid chelate, the chloride or citrate. The citrate actually tastes pleasant, the other two not. But the quantity of Mg in the citrate is low at 11%, so make sure the label tells you how much elemental Mg you're getting, many don't. This might explain the sleep issues, as Mg is excellent for sleep. Mg relaxes and calms us, as it relaxes muscles, calcium constricts muscles, so makes us tense. If the two minerals get out of sync it can really upset us, i.e. blood glucose problems, depression, incontinence, atherosclerosis, plus of course sleep problems. Let me know if the Mg helps at all. Wonderful news you have joined the yoga class, but don't push yourself too much, if your adrenals are stressed which I suspect, it doesn't help them. Time enough to get back to work, you need to heal first. In fact mentioning adrenals and you mentioning sleep problems, you could lack salt. The adrenals need sodium to function, so please try adding more salt to your diet, or putting 1/2tsp into some water and drinking it. It can resolve sleep issues, if that's the cause of course, see here. Take care Wray
Jan 17, 2013
 thank you
by: Nadine

Thanks Wray for all your advice - i will act on the last post, and as ever I am in touch with Julienne who is supporting me well and providing the supplements where possible.
I am linking many people to this site. Keep up the excellent work!
Jan 23, 2013
 thank you
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Bless you for sending others to the site! Julienne is a darling, and very supportive, as I know only too well from the past, and all my problems! Take care Wray
Feb 11, 2013
 update on family D tests
by: Nadine

Hi Wray
I thought you might like an update; as predicted my Dad and daughter are both also deficient....Dad at 23 and daughter at 15.9!!!! Obviously she is on the edge of severely deficient and I therefore wondered if you might like to advise the best way forward with/for her on a broader level including with the cream? She is 17, eats poorly, smokes and doesnt manage stress and pressure well, her concentration and motivation is poor, and currently it is in question whether she will continue at college due to this :-(
Dad is in consult with Julienne, already taken the high dose Vit D and starting the lower tomorrow. They have delayed his radiotherapy for his prostate cancer till April so finger crossed.
I am on the up generally and making life changes with energy and positivity. Do I just keep on using the cream indefinitely??
Thanks again for all your help
Nadine
Feb 13, 2013
 update on family D tests
by: Wray

Hi Nadine Both are severely deficient, ignore the BH levels, they base them on the NHS levels which is still in the dark ages! Even the FDA have raised their 'adequate' level to 75nmol/L, whereas the NHS is still 50nmol/L. I've heard they are 'thinking' about raising it. And ignore the D2 results they give, as it doesn't have much affect, in fact one study found it lowered D3, and another caused an increase in psychotic tendencies, see here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Unfortunately vegetarians tend to take D2 as it's made from irradiated mushrooms, not a good choice at all. D3 is usually made from irradiated lanolin. Specialists are saying the lowest level should be 125nmol/L, but better if it's in the 175-250nmol/L range. Although BH now has on their results sheet saying 220nmol/L is too high and could cause toxicity! There's some evidence for this when levels reach 500nmol/L. Mine is currently 230nmol/L and I never get ill. The toxicity they speak about is not so much the vitamin D per se, but calcium levels increase too high. Well there's a simple solution to that, take vitamin K! Plenty of K1 in green leafy veggies, although this does have to be converted to K2 etc, which does burden the body slightly. Better to eat fish, meat, etc. Vitamin K1 (phylloquinone) is found in green leaves, some then gets converted into K2 (menaquinone) by gut bacteria and various tissues. But many people have gut dysbiosis, with a lack of good bacteria, often because of antibiotics, Crohn's disease, coeliac disease, etc. A deficiency can also occur in people with a compromised liver, cystic fibrosis, or any inflammatory gut disease. Vitamin K2 is found in organ meats, egg yolks, and dairy products. Vitamin K2 has been found to reduce osteoporosis, calcification of arteries and cancer. I've got so many papers, so rather than burden you with them all this one here is good. I suggested to Jules your daughter got her level of vitamin D up high, and to take 100,000iu per day for a month, and then have another test done. They've given 500,000 iu to elderly people as a loading dose with no signs of toxicity. Continued below
Feb 13, 2013
 update on family D tests part 2
by: Wray

Hi Nadine But it only raised the level a miserable 58 +/- 28 nmol/L, unfortunately they don't give the base line the people had. But they do say "levels gradually declined to plateaus of 69 +/- 5 nmol/L" Which is far too low, see here. Another paper says "Universal intake of up to 40,000 IU vitamin D per day is unlikely to result in vitamin D toxicity", see here. This would be the same as spreading the 100,000iu over a 2 1/2 month period. If you prefer her to take 40,000iu per day, then do so. I would suggest your daughter tries tyrosine. Lack of protein and stress lower tyrosine levels, with a subsequent reduction in dopamine. A drop in dopamine increases levels of prolactin, the hormone of lactogenesis, but also an inflammatory hormone. Dopamine is essential for motivation and vitality. Tyrosine is essential for any stressful situation, cold, fatigue, emotional trauma, prolonged work, sleep deprivation, it improves memory, cognition and physical performance. A lack of tyrosine can lead to addictions to tobacco, alcohol etc. Start low at 250mg/day and increase gradually. And of course she could try the progesterone too. I would suggest somewhere between 100-200mg/day, but from your own experience with it, you should be able to guide her. And Julienne of course. Delighted your Dad is taking the high dose vitamin D, but please ask him to consider progesterone too. They've found in does reverse tumours, although the amount needed is very high, see here. Also delighted you're feeling better, once your vitamin D is up high it should make a difference too. And indefinitely? Well it's up to the individual, I for one won't stop it. A friend says she wants to be buried with a tube of Natpro in one hand and a bag of our Energy Boost in the other! It's very protective and good for ageing, see here, here, here, here and here. Take care Wray
Jun 01, 2013
 energy boost
by: Anonymous

Hi Wray,
Do you know why the energy boost formula changed one of its ingredients? It was the Phyllosilicate clay. It has changed to bentopharm clay. What is the difference and why was it changed? Thanks for your help.
Jun 01, 2013
 energy boost
by: Wray

Hi Nadine (If it is you!) Miscommunications, we are getting the clay from another wholesaler, the label was changed without telling me. Bentopharm is a trade mark! "Bentopharm is a registered trade mark of Wilfrid Smith Ltd and derives from Bentonite, a natural clay mined in Texas USA. Used as a suspending and stabilising agent and as an absorbent or clarifying agent." See here. So if anything they should have used the term bentonite clay. Or better still to leave it as phyllosilicate because bentonite is one, see here. Sorry! Take care Wray

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