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Joanne

by Joanne
(USA, TX)

Wray,

I've been using 200 mg. Of Natpro per day for a few weeks now. Been reading lots from this site.. I take taurine, magnesium glycinate, tyrosine, vit. B sublingual, vit. B6 at bedtime, tryptophan, valerian root. I just got the vitamin d3 k2 (mk-4) in to begin taking. It says on the label there is 1mg. of the k2 and 2000 iu of vitamin d3. I've read that this amount of vitamin d3 is too low...but unsure how much of the vitamin k2 is too much..I've also read that vitamin k2 is used to coagulate blood. I don't want to take too much of the vitamin k2 (mk-4) to get enough vitamin d3. I would need to take 5 of the chewable tablets per day to equal 10,000 ius of d3...that would be 5 mgs. Per day of the k2. I don't take blood thinners, except a dose of 400 mg. Of ibuprofen at bedtime. I am 56 and I do have concerns about thickening or sticky platelets could cause a heart related incident. I do not take any rx meds at all.

Look forward to your reply..and reading experiences of others.



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May 21, 2013
 Joanne
by: Carol K

Hi Joanne

I have read your post with interest and I look forward to reading Wray's response. You seem to be on a very healthy track but then I read -

I don't take blood thinners, except a dose of 400 mg. Of ibuprofen at bedtime.

Why would you be doing this? Is there any indication that you should be using blood thinners every day? I am just interested.

Regards
Carol.

May 21, 2013
 re: ibuprofen usage
by: Joanne

I have osteoarthritis in my joints. I take 2 ibuprofen 200 mg. Tablets at bedtime to ease the arthritic pain. Pain in my hands, hips, and knees keep me awake if I take nothing. I don't take anything during the day unless the pain gets unbearable.

Thanks for asking.

Joanne
May 22, 2013
 Ibuprofen
by: Joy

Hi Joanne

I too am interested to know why you are taking Ibuprofen. Are you taking it to thin the blood, or are you suffering from pain such as arthritis? If you are then an amino acid called N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) is excellent for this. But please take a look at the side effects - see here. Progesterone is an excellent anti-inflammatory.

I am sure that Wray will advise on vit K2 etc.

Take care.
Joy
May 24, 2013
 Joanne
by: Wray

Hi Joanne I'm pleased you've found the site helpful, and glad you're taking those supps too. 1mg of K2 is 1000mcg. I've found doses ranging from 180 to 800mcg/day, so 1000mcg seems rather high. 5000mcg would be much too high, if going by current research. I suggest you take one of the tablets per day and try to get a plain vitamin D to take with it. Although vitamin K2 does help coagulate blood, ironically excess calcium is much more likely to cause harm than the K2. Excess free calcium in the blood results in calcified arteries, heart disease and depression, see here, here, here, here and here. Vitamin K2 has been found to reduce osteoporosis, calcification of arteries and cancer. These are excellent articles here, here and here. Vitamin K is one of the cofactors for vitamin D ensuring deposition of calcium in bones, and preventing it's deposition in arterial plaque. Dr Cannell recommends all the cofactors for vitamin D should be taken, magnesium, vitamin K2, boron and zinc, see here. This complex is one he recommends. Like Carol, I'm puzzled why you are taking ibuprofen, presumably for pain? It is a vasoconstrictor so could cause BP to go up. If it is for pain, it could be because your vitamin D and magnesium are too low. A lack of magnesium causes substance P to rise, see here and here. Substance P is a neuropeptide involved in causing pain and nausea. Continued below
May 24, 2013
 Joanne part 2
by: Wray

Hi Joanne Oestrogen stimulates substance P, see here. Substance P inhibits progesterone, see here, but if enough is used, progesterone suppresses substance P, see here. "Accumulating evidence indicates that the neuropeptide substance P is predominantly involved in neurogenic inflammation and pain perception...... Intriguingly, decreased pain sensitivity is found to be associated with high plasma progesterone levels. We hypothesize that progesterone may attenuate nociception and associated inflammatory response." You are using a good amount of progesterone, so I see no reason to increase it, but please consider taking 800mg/day magnesium. That's if I'm right about the pain. Take care Wray
May 24, 2013
 Vitamin D3 k2/ magnesium/ A little history
by: Joanne

Hi Wray,

Thanks for your response. I had deduced that I should get a plain d3 without k2 and take it along with just one of the d3 that contained the 1 mg of k2. Have been doing that for several days.

You recommended I take magnesium.. 800 mg per day. I have also been taking just that amount for a couple of weeks now.

I read the studies you recommended and now wonder if I should take calcium at all. I usually take a calcium citrate 300 mg once or twice per week. Is this enough? Should I take more or less calcium?

I have wondered if the coral calcium I took about 10 years ago contributed to the painful joints in my hands, knees, and hips. It was all the rage then. About this time i got huge nodes on my fingers that are very painful. Some of these nodes disfigured my finger on my left hand..making it crook to the side. I did take magnesium back then..250 mg of magnesium oxide...yep..I didn't know the difference between good magnesium and not so good.

It's the painful joints that make me reach for the ibuprofen often at night. The pain in hips and knees keep me awake. I also have fibromyalgia.

I have never taken HRT ..even though I had a partial hysterectomy at age 24. I had uterine fibroids. My weight gain, hot flashes, night sweats, no libido, hair loss began in my mid 30's. I have even used the bogus wild yam cream. I then found Dr. Lee's book and it all started making sense. I used progesta at the recommended dosage..but I only felt worse. Researching progesterone I found your website and it all clicked. After one week on the 200 mg cream..the incontinence completely disappeared..so did the insomnia..Now I am hoping the low/no libido, hair loss and weight gain will also disappear. My skin is much better..my dry cracked heels are gone.

Thanks so much for all you do to educate us!!

Joanne
USA - TX
May 27, 2013
 Joanne
by: Carol K

Hi Joanne

After reading your posts, something has occurred to me. Do you drink red wine? I know that we are told about the wonderful benefits of having a glass of wine, especially red wine, every day. For years I did just that and I too suffered from Fibromyalgia but I started using Liquid Minerals and Trace Elements and I got almost instant relief but one of the biggest culprits for my pain is red wine. I was chatting to a young girl at a family get together one day and she passed up on the red wine and then turned to me and said, "that stuff is poison in my body. My joints just ache if I have just one glass". The penny dropped for me and every time I let slip and have wine, I suffer the consequences.

I hope this has helped you but we are all so different and what works for one, does not necessarily work for everyone, except for Progesterone :).

Regards
Carol.
May 28, 2013
 Response to Carol - Fibromyalgia
by: Joanne

Carol,

I don't drink any form of alcohol. I've never liked the taste. It is interesting the red wine affects your fibromyalgia in that way. Good thing you were able to discover the trigger from your friend.

Today, I have been reading about the absorption rate of vitamins..especially the b vitamins and d-3. It seems the ones I currently have are useless for the most part. The absorption rate for tablets is only about 10 to 20 percent in the best circumstance..and maybe none at all depending on the health of the gut and the quality of the vitamins taken. It also matters when the vitamins are taken. Except for injections it seems sub-lingual drops are best. Depressing since I've just spent a small fortune on vitamins.

I do have to say, I can see positive results since beginning the progesterone just a few weeks ago. That I will continue the rest of my life, however finding good vitamins that are sublingual..that are not too pricey seems to be what I need to do. Any suggestions on where I might find them?

Thanks!

Joanne
May 29, 2013
 Vitamin D3 k2/ magnesium/ A little history
by: Wray

Hi Joanne Well there are certainly people interested in your well being, I love it when others respond out of concern. I'm pleased you bought a plain D3 to take along with the other. Very pleased you've upped the magnesium too. I get so upset when hearing about women having a hyst, they never look for the cause, just treat the symptoms. So you had fibroids, these are caused by oxidative stress, you still have that, so it's no wonder you have the pain! A lack of taurine can cause fibroids, see here. Taurine also reduces oxidative stress, see here. A lack of vitamin D also appears to be behind fibroids, taking it certainly shrinks them, see here, here, here, here, here and here. Finally a lack of vitamin D reduces the benefits of progesterone. Please don't forget to have a vitamin D test done, although 10,000iu is a good dose, it could be you need more to get your level up quickly. One of the roles vitamin D has is to bring calcium from the gut into the blood stream. So if you are eating foods high in calcium, dairy begin one, you won't need to take extra. I remember that coral calcium rage too, and it could be due to that you got the nodes on your fingers. Without sufficient magnesium or K2 it does get deposited in soft tissue, and not the bones. I'm so delighted the incontinence has gone! Oestrogen causes this, progesterone reverse it, there's more info on our HRT page. The sleep too, both Progesterone and Vitamin D help with this. We do have two pages you could look through on Libido and Hair Loss. I'm also delighted your skin is better, and the dry cracked heels have gone. Who would have thought they could be due to hormones, but I had those severely at times when they would bleed. But haven't had them for years now. Please keep in touch. Take care Wray

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